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  Do you appreciate our spiritual heritage?

  by never a jw in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  that is the title of the second study of the feb. 15, 2013 magazine (page 8).

  to the left of the title a picture appears showing three people holding very old watchtower magazines from the early 1900's.

  i have been studying jw's history and doctrines for less than a year and i already have far more knowledge than most c.o.

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  never a jw

  Thanks Yknot,

  I was unaware of the 2009 admission of responsibility by the WT regarding 1975. Can you provide more details, the magazine, date, page?
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  Do you appreciate our spiritual heritage?

  by never a jw in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  that is the title of the second study of the feb. 15, 2013 magazine (page 8).

  to the left of the title a picture appears showing three people holding very old watchtower magazines from the early 1900's.

  i have been studying jw's history and doctrines for less than a year and i already have far more knowledge than most c.o.

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  never a jw

  That is the title of the second study of the Feb. 15, 2013 magazine (page 8). To the left of the title a picture appears showing three people holding very old Watchtower magazines from the early 1900's

  I have been studying JW's history and doctrines for less than a year and I already have far more knowledge than most C.O.'s or even D.O.'s. Is it because I know too much?, or is it because JW's know too little? I have brothers who are JW's and have been in the truth for over 20 years. The farthest back their knowledge of their history can go is 1975, and they actually believe the explanation given by the WT (it was the fault of the rank-and-file)

  I just wonder if the picture of the three persons holding old magazines is a way to encourage JW's to read their own history through those old magazines. Sometimes I wonder if these articles are written by people who have awakened and are subtly trying to undermine the WT? I suspect that this year is going to be even more interesting than last year.
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  AAWA is here!! (The Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists)

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.

  http://www.jwactivists.org.

  facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.

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  never a jw

  Agree with Hortensia.

  The name has room for improvement.
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  AAWA is here!! (The Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists)

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.

  http://www.jwactivists.org.

  facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.

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  Cedars,

  Include me there. One problem I see with the antiwatchtower movement in general is that the message is in English and that it is neglecting to bring the message to other languages, especially Spanish which may be the first language of possibly millions of JW's . I don't have much extra time, but I can put my tiny effort to produce/translate the message to Spanish. You can count on my support in every possible way I can do it.

  Call me Winston Smith (recently I feel that way when I am surrounded by all my JW family member and friends) It's becoming a nightmarish experience.

  Feel free to PM me. I can exchange email addresses with you guys. I live in California and own a small copying business. Use my niche if you find it useful
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  There are really TWO Watchtower Societies

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  with cedars release of leaked watchtower new light "adjusting" understanding of "who" the faithful and discreet slave is.....i am struck by something which similarly struck me back in 1967.in 1967 i had just been imprisoned.

  being a male jehovah's witness during the viet nam war meant certain "issues" arose affecting a decision to respond to the military draft.i have told the story before.

  but, i'd like go at it from another angle in view of the above mentioned new light about the fds fora different reason.it was first in 1967 i began to discover that there are two watchtower societies.let me explain why i say this and for what reasons.first of all, anybody standing in a kingdom hall or sitting in a seat at a vast international assembly saw people they would identify as all on the same page.

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  Nickolas,

  I get what you are saying. It's easy for me to avoid looking at the big picture about life because I learned about the "secrets" of the WT leadership only few months ago. Even as a non-JW, learning what I know about the WT angers me, and digging more about them absorbs so much of my time, but I realized, that I have to move on. I selfishly want the Terry's, the Leolaoia's and the Farkel's to stay a little longer to feed me everything about the WT, but I realized that they also should move on.
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  Alameda County Administrator makes $423,664 a year!

  by VM44 in

  1. social
  2. current

  alameda county administrator's premium pay end hearst/article/premium_article_tools_480.tpl end premium_story_header.tpl article/types/premium_story.tpl hearst/common/author_name.tpl by matier & ross.

  e hearst/common/author_name.tpl article_timestamp.tpl march 25, 2013. alameda county supervisors have really taken to heart the adage that government should run like a business, rewarding county administrator susan muranishi with the wall street-like wage of $423,664 a year.. for the rest of her life.. according to county pay records, in addition to her $301,000 base salary, muranishi receives:-- $24,000, plus change, in "equity pay" to guarantee that she makes at least 10 percent more than anyone else in the county.. -- about $54,000 a year in "longevity" pay for having stayed with the county for more than 30 years.. -- an annual performance bonus of $24,000.. -- and an additional $9,000 a year for serving on the county's three-member surplus property authority, an ad hoc committee of the board of supervisors that oversees the sale of excess land.. like other county executives, muranishi also gets an $8,292-a-year car allowance.. muranishi has been with the county for 38 years, and she's 63. when retirement day comes, she'll be getting a lot more than a gold watch.. that's because, according to the county auditor's office, muranishi's annual pension will be equal to the dollar total of her entire yearly package - $413,000.

  she also has a separate executive private pension plan, for which the county chips in $46,500 a year.. "and she's worth every dime," said supervisor scott haggerty, who was on the board when it promoted muranishi to county administrator in 1995, voted for her and joined in approving her base pay and perks.. "we're lucky to have her," haggerty said.. he likens the job of running the county administration to being ceo of a $2.4 billion corporation, with 9,000 employees.. granted, the $2.4 billion is taxpayer money, and the county isn't set up to turn a profit.

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  Good point Rub a Dub.
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  There are really TWO Watchtower Societies

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  with cedars release of leaked watchtower new light "adjusting" understanding of "who" the faithful and discreet slave is.....i am struck by something which similarly struck me back in 1967.in 1967 i had just been imprisoned.

  being a male jehovah's witness during the viet nam war meant certain "issues" arose affecting a decision to respond to the military draft.i have told the story before.

  but, i'd like go at it from another angle in view of the above mentioned new light about the fds fora different reason.it was first in 1967 i began to discover that there are two watchtower societies.let me explain why i say this and for what reasons.first of all, anybody standing in a kingdom hall or sitting in a seat at a vast international assembly saw people they would identify as all on the same page.

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  Nickolas, Terry may have made a factual statement regarding the WT leaders. I have never been hurt by the WT since I have never been a JW, and yet I agree with Terry's description of the WT. It seems that you are inferring more than what the statement describes.
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  There are really TWO Watchtower Societies

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  with cedars release of leaked watchtower new light "adjusting" understanding of "who" the faithful and discreet slave is.....i am struck by something which similarly struck me back in 1967.in 1967 i had just been imprisoned.

  being a male jehovah's witness during the viet nam war meant certain "issues" arose affecting a decision to respond to the military draft.i have told the story before.

  but, i'd like go at it from another angle in view of the above mentioned new light about the fds fora different reason.it was first in 1967 i began to discover that there are two watchtower societies.let me explain why i say this and for what reasons.first of all, anybody standing in a kingdom hall or sitting in a seat at a vast international assembly saw people they would identify as all on the same page.

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  Moshe,

  Regarding the two brains, I found your comment so true. Just yesterday I asked my brother, a JW who has been in the Org for 25 years.

  Me: "Do you believe in the literal flood"

  His response without even making eye contact. "I do".

  My follow up question: "What about the geological, the archeological and the historical record".

  His response: "It is of no interest to me". At this point he was turned away from me.

  My brother does great work and can have very intelligent conversations in any other field that does not touch his religion. This experience was quite surprising for me. I thought he would be the first JW who would try to debate me. NO!. I tried at least five times before to engage my JW's relatives and even an elder. They all ran away.
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  End of world predictions/ JW's

  by exwhyzee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i thought this was an interesting site that discusses end of world predictions.

  http://www.humanreligions.info/the_end_of_the_world.html.

  there are additional links at the end of this page.

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  Memorial Hell

  by thecrushed in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  today has been one of the most aganizing days since i woke up.

  my family has been pressuring me to show up at the memorial for the past week.

  it became very intense today with my dad texting me constantly to get me to confirm and when i didn't answer he would call my wife and then she would constantly nag me to answer my dad and so on and so forth.

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  never a jw

  Even as a never JW I feel for you, and I am doing my own effort to help people such as your wife wake up and live better lives outside the cult. I hope everything is resolved in the best possible way.

  I am surrounded by JW's (brothers, wife, children) and for some strange reason they become nicer to me after my rantings against the arrogant liars in the WT. I guess they don't want to confirm what I call their cruel shunning doctrine, so they are really nice. But I am not pushing my luck.